*** Visual IRC '97 channel #ProBoard log, created 07-Aug-98 21:43:50 *** apa (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #ProBoard [apa] SysOp of The Church bbs / ProBoard support team / http://www.chbbs.home.ml.org / *** apa (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #bbs finally - please stand up to get killed for being late... [apa] Wow! So full already! Hello everybody! hi gilles... [apa] I'm not late :-) hey there! Hi Dr. Nick! :) [apa] Hehe... Sup? I support thing !! as far as bad mothing I am a clean as a !~! OH have I said I was born and raised in Arkansas AH!! brb....gotta check who's at the door apa - so where's the beef??? Hello everybody ey gilles! [apa] Hi Vertigo! hi cor - i missed u logging on... [apa] Well, first of all: I have a textfile with my proposal for the continued development. It's a little too big to just say it like that, so I will put it on my website for you to download. And BTW: I can't e-mail tonight since I 'm calling from behind a proxy and my client has no proxy support :-) I only got here a few minutes ago :-) [apa] Will give the URL away soon (when it's uploaded). *** ProBot has kicked trax_away from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] i'd like to say that Proboard really ROOLEZ !!! gilles - if you want - u can upload it to my website which takes browser uploads and I can post it immediately... if u r able to did it... *** ProBot has kicked sphinx-hm-away from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard hi spinx - did u wake up??? jens - you gotta get a website back up again - we all miss you... [apa] Frank: Will see... Connecting to the FTP now. [apa] I expect Philippe on within an hour... [apa] I hate that summertime thing here :-( it seems like all the good bbs programs are no longer being developeed the authors just die all thats left is that awful QuickBBS lets not let that happen to PB :) [apa] DLM: We won't... and tcra32 is a piece of bloated.. ehrr, software :) apa - my website upload area is: http://scselp.com/cgi-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl oh yeah i'd really like to rip philipp's ass out a bunch of kilometres for his fooling us tcra is terrible...I thought it would be good but, EACH program needs to be registerd...the usereditr, the bbs, the fileedior, the filedatabse to html *** Alan (Cascades@du-1540.claranet.co.uk) has joined channel #Proboard jens - i saw before that you were not real happy with Mr. ProBoard... hi alan Hi All DLM : you're kidding, right ? [apa] CursorY: wait and hear what he has to tell us first... And btw: don't forget this chat is being logged as we speak... eergh: write :-) dlm: yep, and it's all written in Visual Basick.. sloooowww.. :) apa - BTW Gilles I have been logging this since about 2 hrs ago *** Signoff: Diadem (omega@c62417-a.blfld1.ct.home.com) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] *** Richard_K (Me@207.235.90.195) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1736.javanet.com) has joined channel #Proboard I never kid :) [apa] Frank: Cool... Anything interesting in the logs so far? SOrry was disconnected did i miss anything important? atleast when talikning software so, 8 minutes left :) [apa] Not at all :-) some real tension coming up here :) *** Olivier_VSP (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard oh shit, you log this all? man, I walked away and did some stuff and got kicked, that sucks! rehi Oliveier I can tpye todya [apa] Frank: I'm uploading the file to your site as PBFUTURE.TXT. My FTP seems to be very slow now... I guess the other people here at home are using up the badwith again :-( hi! glad to be back :) where did phillipe go? what did he say? [apa] He hasn't arrived yet... AdeptX is cool but you have to run os2 to use it. [apa] ldg: That's uncool :-) Hay, whats the nick of ProBoard's author? [apa] philippe looks like it's gonna rain again here (4th day) richard - we had a philippe clone come onto the irc and he is back it looks like under a different name ok [apa] Frank: Have you received the textfile yet? Frank: I assumed the real one would have +o on the bot to ident himself:) apa: Textfile? I'll +o him when he gets here :) Ok I set it up again!! my news server is sfd.net anyone can use it there are only about 4 topics and proboard is one anytime its private and could be usefull to us so anyone list it as a news server sfd.net [apa] I could DCC it to everybody, but it would take ages and I assume some people here have no DCC capabilities. apa: I just canceled my cabel modem (t1 speeds) an hour ago:( I could have set up an ftp sight to distro it.. sigh [apa] Diadem: Yes, textfile containing my suggestion for the further development. then again it was too unstable in the fisrt place [apa] :-) Ahhh Welp, its time:) so the tension is building...will he show/will he not show, will it be on time/ or will he be late.....the world may never know :) Hehehe *** Mode change [+b cursory_jens!hoopy@*] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked CuRsOrY_JeNs from channel #Proboard [banned] friggin loser I hate imitators. [apa] Diadem: Well, not really... Because we are presently at GMT+2 so we're still an hour away... That's why I cursed the summertime stuff earlier. *** acid_mike (acid_mike@ppp-mab119.freiepresse.de) has joined channel #ProBoard Oh... hehhehee i'll just idle for a while then and keep a good spot jo mike!! there he is .... apa - anyone can dwnload your file by going to the same place you uploaded it at: > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > * Msg From: cor@bbswijchen.demon.nl > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | To subscribe/unsubscribe from the ProBoard Mailing List, just send a | > | message to PROBOARD-REQUEST@nbvb.ml.org, with the text SUBSCRIBE or | > | UNSUBSCRIBE in the message BODY depending on which action you want. :) | > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ my successor concerning Twinsoft PEXes :) > ronald, hast du die mail von frank nicht gekriegt ?? no... yeah well at 4 CST I gotta go to work so, someone email me telling me what happend, OK!?! [apa] Frank: You'll never guess it: I got access to my FTP uplink! :-) *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has left channel #proboard *** Signoff: Olivier_VSP (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard [apa] Hi Olivier! *** Alan is now known as QCS-Alan [apa] Olivier: What did you want to chat about on the bbs? acid: big proboard sysop meeting today, it's about PB#s development future ... we will decide tonight what will happen to the source :) apa : i wanted to make you clear you needed to come here asap :) i'll be back in a few -- need to get something to drink PL has announced to come ... though we only had fakes so far [apa] Huskie: If he isn't here on time; I'll call him by voice... huskie : untrue... the real pl has been here... a couple of hours ago !! apa - anyone can dnld from my upld area by going to http://scselp.com/cgi-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl and clicking on your file - my site is vert versatile for up/dn loading... - yes i got the fie... - people can start dnlding anytime now... [apa] Olivier: Have you been on all day or what? ok ok :) *** Someone (sarah@dialup-15-19.netcomuk.co.uk) has joined channel #proboard How many people here are c coders, btw? Someone: Nice handle thanks apa - i got a suggestion to upload your text file in the newsgroups - unless u want to do it - i can do it today... I got it [apa] OK everyone: I have some important information to share with you. You can download it here: http://scselp.com/cgi-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl Soontobe c coder :) brb *** Signoff: Someone (sarah@dialup-15-19.netcomuk.co.uk) has left IRC [See you later!] [apa] DLM: Hopefully me too. *** Signoff: Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] [apa] Whoops... Sarah was on? *** Someone (oops@dialup-15-19.netcomuk.co.uk) has joined channel #proboard no *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #proboard hi sarah - good to see u here... *** Someone is now known as SarahP hi [apa] Hi Sarah! Great for you to be here! I am a coder!! or try to be * sphinx-hm-away is still away: -(At work, I'm logging #proboard.. thanks..)- since -(07:06)- pager -(off)- # Appears as ANNA be back in a few -- need a soda!! [apa] DMurphy: AGAIN?!? dmurphy: get me one, too :) I didn't realise this many were still using PB [apa] Sarah: [apa] Sarah: Have you learned some C/C++ now? For a lt of you here - SarahP is Sarah & Faye Pearson of the old Fel-line Software fame and a hell of group of past ProBoard PEX & EXE programmers... cheers * SarahP is fluent in not being able to code well, not strictly true I can program, but not that well SarahP: Actiualy, I use TG.. I just want to help code a BBS software for myself. I would have joint ist but i only know c/c++ not pascall well I guess I gotta go and get ready for work....someone promis to email me with what happend here tonight ok: daniel.mueller@ntac.com thanks frank [apa] Diadem: Did you know PB was written in MS Visual C++? hi acid_mike bye [apa] DLM: The log will be on my site! wha'ts the http? Visual? Sigh... I do mostly dos type stuff Borland/Djgpp/(once in a while ms) [apa] Well, there is plenty of work to do, so you can do quite a bit if you're a DOS programmer... anyone here from the UK? * Diadem grins acid_mike - Ronald hope you can get something out of all this maddness!!!! except alan and me [apa] IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON: http://scselp.com/cgi-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl If I have to, I'm prolly going to start my own from scratch as an independt study [apa] AND THEN PBFUTURE.TXT HEY MIKE!!! Sara: SOrry from us here ALDER, AUFWACHEN!!!! :) [apa] Huskie: Huh? frank: he did not get your email ... i just catched him on ircnet ... apa: it means: wake up! :) bye everyone.....have run with Philipee have fun not run *** DLMTechnology (daniel_mue@lafra-121.mdm.mke.execpc.com) has left channel #Proboard [apa] Information to be read on http://www.chbbs.home.ml.org/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt (same info as on PBI's site). ah ... he is away :) brb *** ProBot has kicked Codeman from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Codeman (~codeman@p9-04.z03.glo.be) has joined channel #proboard apa - anyone dnloading the PBfuture.txt - please dnld with Save As since a txt file tries to dsiplay itself like a RAR file - just Save As - works great!! Anyone here used BeOS? [apa] Frank: Works ok from my site though... BeOS whats that I've tried :-) [apa] Sarah: just reviewing the information on it :-) No, I don't have the right hardware :( BeOS is an Operating System. http://www.be.com sarah - just saw it on your site - many may be away trying to dnld Gilles War Plan for ProBoard... Going there now have a look at http://betrieve.com/ ^^ ones of my sites I love OP systems [apa] Sarah: is that where you got the name for BeOnline and BeNewsd? yes BeOnline is a network tools and the other is our all singing, all dancing News Server apa - did u zip it up or is it still in txt??? [apa] Sarah: so you left OS/2? back [apa] Frank: TXT no, we have os/2 still but not installed. waiting for a decent web browser ok i'm back...... I had a play with Communicator/2 but it is so buggy [apa] Sarah: why not write it yourself then? The sources are free . *** tB- (lick@cr443284-a.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com) has joined channel #PROBOARD too easy a project don't have the time wow lots of people want the source... im just here to see who gets it... source? not me. I'm just being nosey *** GaYwArEz (hoopy@when.i.grow.up.i.wanna.be.a.realhacker.org) has joined channel #proboard Even if I wanted the source, philippe wouldn't give it to me :) [apa] Sarah: why not? Whats Phillipe's nick gonna be? [apa] philippe dunno, just have a feeling [apa] tB: Well, that's what it was in the past anyway :-) hi, i'd like to say that PB NET suxx ! it should be under the GPL Is TGPBN still going? [apa] Gay: Great! ANy other great ideas like that to share with us? *** Mode change [+b gaywarez!*@*] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked GaYwArEz from channel #Proboard [banned] * SarahP remembers the long nights trying to get that network going sarah yes *** pcMike (mike@calnet28-82.gtecablemodem.com) has joined channel #proboard so, where's PL ?? :-) it's 22:19 gmt + 2 !? :) hello guys *** c\r\i\c\i (~k137@pool00.bad.ilk.de) has joined channel #proboard [apa] Sarah: Yes... But Arthur Stark has been searching for a new distributor in the USA. SarahP : I do my polls, but the flow isn't exactly massive :( *** c\r\i\c\i is now known as crcietus *** fuckme (hoopy@when.i.grow.up.i.wanna.be.a.realhacker.org) has joined channel #proboard he is not due for another 35 minutes *** crcietus is now known as cricetus [apa] Huskie: I asked him to come at 23:00 CET (GMT+2). good evening altogether. pcmike! hi i'm gay *** Mode change [+pi] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy [apa] Hi pcMike TGPBN was great, I actually got into quite a lot of heated email exhanges with people after i got philipe to put a mention in the documentation. heheh hi apa! pcMike: you gonna go for the source or no? *** Mode change [+b fuckme!*@*] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked fuckme from channel #Proboard [banned] dmurphy: u sure u wanna make this one invite-only ? :) heheh thanks probot [apa] Who is behind the ProBot now? Dennis? Scanner? anytime ;) I wish I knew more about k-lines ;) Hi pcMike SaraP: _was_ great? Is it gone, too? hey cor! no idea it's Scanner's, but I'm a channel-op too hi mike... hey frank! can someone get that little SOB's IP Address for me? :) dang is pcMike ignoring me? I moved away from FTN/Mailboxing this february, so I am not informed. ;) looks like almost the entire gang is here *** Resolved when.i.grow.up.i.wanna.be.a.realhacker.org to 198.88.188.83 dennis - the dummy keeps comeing back for more KICKING... mike! *** Mode change [+b *!*@198.88.188.83] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy hey vertigo! i guess he is ignoring me :( dmurphy make this chan +i means noone can join it as long as he gets not invited! hi crcietus SarahP do a websearch for a program called Iproute!! its a dos based Ip router and dialer and it will do inbound ppp and slip!! from what I read witht this os it might be best to have anohter machine manage your network connects. This program regs for 50.00 and its a software Cisco Router!! its great!! hi tb, no im not! [apa] I've updated my site slightly... Updated some links and stuff... no big deal. [apa] Frank: Have you read the textfile I sent? taking away the +i would be better, the real philippe can't enter now if he'd wanted to :) I don't want to make this channel invite-only because when Philippe shows up, I don't want him getting locked out :-) pcMike: you here to see whats going on? or here for the source. * tB- thinks we should cast a vote on who gets the source, or if it should be under the GPL. tB-: no im not going to ask for the source, at least not for myself. Branislav is intrested in obtaining it and continuing development with the help of others. So, has anyone any idea what'll happen to PB now? dmurphy: do a /mode #proboard -i then plz :) no, it's only for Philippe@when.i.want.* *** Mode change [-i] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy what does mode +p mean? ok *** Mode change [-p] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy +P = private +p = private diadem: yeah :) *** SPOOFED (hoopy@when.i.grow.up.i.wanna.be.a.realhacker.org) has joined channel #ProBoard you are so lame you cannot get me out so tolerate me SPOOFED: And you suck *** Mode change [+p] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** Mode change [+b spoofed!*@*] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked SPOOFED from channel #Proboard [banned] [apa] DMurphy: Can't you kick anyone with the same server? wolfgang - i hope that you realize that the person that dennis is kicking off is the same RAT with a foul mouth and trouble maker - he is just trying to keep it fun in here today - that's a biggggg job...:-) I tried.... I did *!*@198.88.whatever :) damn fucking losers. [apa] :-) *** Mode change [+o apa] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy just ban everything at realhacker.org :) frank: sure i know :) dmurphy, make the channel moderated and give voice to certain persons only *** Mode change [+o Frank_pbi] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Mode change [-p] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy hi nuku moin I was first. ;) *** Mode change [+b *!*@*.realhacker.org] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy moin moin ;) I just want to let you guys know I updated my site entirely... www.vsoft.home.ml.org is the name... brb cricetus: bist du mit windows online (mirc) und kannst den chat mitloogen??? wird automatisch geloggt, nuku =) nuku_: there's no need for violence :) someone(s) will take over its development no no need ahh! foreign. Sarahp is this just linux with another name cricetus: okay... weil mein linxu chatter loggt nich mit... kannste mir dann spaeter den log scicken??? (nukunuku@cyberdude.com yeah, German :) 700 german sysops have registered PB :) * tB- thinks we should at least keep the discussion's down to english, as thats what the majority of us speak! tB-: Everyone is foreigner after leaving his home village [apa] Olivier: Great! Took a LONG time :-) BeOS has a unix layer but is an OS in it's own right *** Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has joined channel #ProBoard nuku: Klar, aufm Conti ist meine Email, im Fall dass ichs vergesse =) hey, they should piblish the PB source under the terms of the GPL ! :) lets try to stick with english please guys... apa : take a look at it... i think it looks a bit more professional :) cricetus: oki :) ... [apa] nuku: Check out my text about future development on http://www.chbbs.home.ml.org/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt BeOS is prolly gonna be the best OS for multimedia developers ever created. Ok I am looking at it hard I run no os2, win95 Nt 4.0 , os2 warp server and os2 warp connect and debian!! I need something cause I am getting pissed at debian and Redhat linux GPL is not always the best solution hi jobbert brb hi Sarah! how have you been? GPL makes it so there are tons of hacks. I do not beleive that philippe will ever give out the code ot PB Period!! I hope I am wrong but I think its going to be a dead point apa: This document contains no data .. :( I think it should be given to a TRUSTWORTHY AUTHOR who will make it freeware. [apa] cricetus: correct, but it can help sometimes. What I had in mind is to have some parts written in GPL agreement: PBUtil and possibly ProCFG... i'll be back as "wolfgang" in a few seconds ... bye *** Huskie_Software (hoopy@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has left channel #ProBoard I left the BBS community also because I was pissed off of the development of PB ldg_jb: he has said he will... i guess we will know very soon for sure. fine thanks Mike. been very busy tho :( so many promises *** Wolfgang (root@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has joined channel #Proboard so much sucking back on track apa - yes I read it fast to see what you wrote - I will have to read it again! these messages are coming at a high rate so i don't want to miss out on pages and pages of info here... He also said he would write the program 2 years agot also apa: Yeah, a mixed mode seems a good idea. weee, damn im good lookin' :) ldg: BeOS is a great OS, still under development. has opengl and glide support and has Quake 1 and 2 already ported (although nbot yet released) [apa] cricetus: Check out directly at http://freeusers.digibel.be/~ghemberg/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt Anyone else who left FTNs? :) SarahP: im glad to see you in here, to witness this bit of ProBoard history. :) I was 2:2476/275 back apa: thx Does it cost alot SarahP: is SCSI already supported now? scis next month is release 4 ib sorry, should be "scsi next month in release 4" weee what a prediciment man i am being a fool.... I figured that out :) my typing is not too good atm mike: I am curious to see what happens to the BBS I spent so long using apa: I flew over the text, and your proposal seems quite okay. But, let's face it, do BBS system software have a future at all? SarahP: me too... after all that waiting, i hope the change of developer hands works out ok. There must be a turn-around cricetus: yes in fact they do... heading to Telnet hosts. and fully internet oparable systems. crit: Yes (I'd give a more detailed reply but i just came from surgery) cricetus: yes, the bbs software that will intergrade with the internet will have a future. cricetus: i am sure lots of people would love to put internal telnet into they're bbs system.. but with the prices of DELPHI * SarahP thinks PB needs to be revamped into a telnet/www based system, something to rival usenet and web-boards - but what do I know :) its nearly impossible for some people to afoord. * cricetus agrees to Sarah * tB- agrees with SarahP with sorry =) hehe hehehe SarahP one main question!! do I have to recompile the kernel in BeOS at anytime like linux my suggestion on how proboard should be developped further can be found at http://www.xs4all.nl/~predator/vtgweirdo.txt .. :) yeah, I would open a telnet bbs too if there will be a linux port of PB ... hope so that they publish the source under the GPL :)) PB should have internal telnet, internal irc, internal ftp, www/http/ftp/telnet servers, support for inet email and newsgroups, and win95... dialin BBS are dead imo, and usenet is dying, I intend to revolutionise that Sarah: Mabey some sort of java client to emulate telnet.. but not WWW because a lot of still program doors in dos kdg: no, the kernal can't be recompiled *** Signoff: Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has left IRC [Bye] vertigo: Your text seems to be reaasonable, too A major reason people don't use web / '95 based bbs's isb ecasue they can't use simple programs like ice-edit and lord with them diadem: my program would use pexs and have anew generation of addons tB-: Do you know Hawkeye? *** Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has joined channel #ProBoard Never happen you do not use fossiil support is not used in linux it more like the old RBBS days where you redriected the TTTY to the port DOOR games and texadventures tules... just look at thes new lame and boring games.. pex's? It approaches that what you suggested from the other side. brb [apa] cricetus: In my opinion, bbs's have a future... One point is that internet is terribly slow. And I don't just mean from the connection point of view, but the servers are getting too slow to handle the high connection speeds (ADSL, cable modems, etc.). Nuku: Just because you only like one part of a bbs system (message bases, files, whatever) doesn't mean you should ignore hte others *** Signoff: Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has left IRC [Bye] Doors are a VERY important part of the bbs world *** Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has joined channel #ProBoard vertigo: I totally agree with the open development, only Philippe still has to agree with it... As for having your own style of doors for the web, I think that any bbs without at least some sort of os emulation will lose a lot of followers Hi all! the telnet functionality in pb/32 definatly needs to be able to run doors, unlike philippes current implemintation Hi Oliver Codeman: You should have "Teams" instead of open development like iniquity or the entire thing will be VERY chaotic * tB- wants to be part of the new PB DEV TEAM... [apa] Olivier: (anyone of both :-)) Your site looks great! Anarchy sounds nice but we still need SOME sort of structure if we don't want tohave about 999 releases apa: hmm, but this cuts the possible users to a bare minimum one - the freaks, or almost freaky ones. The system must be reachable via the internet, on which every dumb-ass can connect to. apa I do not see it that way I have from 2000 to 8000 hits a day on my web server I have from 10 to 400 users a day on my ftp site!! I never had that kind of traffic on my bbs I also never had the response I get in mail from bbs users I get from my web users. anyone can dnld Gilles PBFutute.txt file from my website at http://scselp.com/cgi-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl - just save the txt file with SAVE AS Diadem: look at Apache, it's developer structure might lead the PB community into the future. anyone in here still connected to PB-NET (Zone 246) ?? Apache? apa : thanks.... i took almost a year to finish it :) - actually less than a week :) Diadem: Apache, the web server. Wolfgang: Left it when I left Fido. ;) Oh.. like xitamia? In my opionion, there is only one way to save the future of PB: Release source under GPL and select one to maintain the source and release stable versions from time to time.... Diadem: But better. Oh nuku: GPL might not the sole solution Seems to me the main point we area all missing is messages that main reason to run a bbs is the message base!! The author of Altair started writting a nntp news server that inported and exported to squish and jam messages and worked about 10% of the time !!! That one program would keep my bbs alive sence I would use the bbs as a administrator tool for the messsage base only. I suggest a mix of GPL and "open sourced" licensee software (Shareware= are not area mike - did u read Gilles War Plans for ProBoard yet??? [apa] nuku: maybe, but I think that's just not enough (2 people). I was thinking of some more people... nuku: thats what my proposal consists of, basicly, I suggest to form a core development team, who would be basicly in charge of development in an open style like Linux development open, but not chaotic cricetus: kenn ich dich nicht? :-) *** Signoff: Jobbert (Jobbert@md14-221.mun.compuserve.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] ldg_jb what is the ip for your bbs? There is no ONE reason that a bbs should still be alive... that seems to be the problem with most of the newer systems they either like "lightbars only" or "Message bases" or "warez" but not a good old fassion bbs Frank_pbi: no, i just read the suggestion at vertigos site though Wolfgang: Aber sicher doch. ;) can we please keep it to english?? I agree with vertigo Ich bin Nick Klumpp, wir haben uns im Test-Echo nette Mails geschrieben.. ;) tB-: Okay, sorry =) cricetus: aaah :) alles klar :))) apa: well, okay... when the source is released under the GPL , many people might be starting working on it, there must just one or two offictial source maintainers, as Linux Torvals is it for the Linux Kernel Wolfgang: hehe * SarahP thinks the current PB should be makde freeware :) There should be a team, and a series of requirements to be able to join it (some sort of app) imo.. we could possibly have two or three teams to keep compitention but.... normall its websysop.com but the DNS server at my providers crashed so I am using my othere doman now so you can;t get to it at the moment you can get to the web server at 207.30.94.234 but thats all for now I am also hosting elebbs site at elebbs.sfd.net *** no|one (online@tm-soft.COM) has joined channel #ProBoard if we release the source publicly all will fall apart SarahP: i still love your IEMSI implementation :-) you do? great! thanks [apa] nuku: ProBoard is not Linux... You will never find THAT many programmers to work on ProBoard I'm afraid :-) Well, but first, Phillippe should tell us what he will allow... maybe he dont want to publish the source to the public. apa: But the opener the source gets the more will join apa: Thats right, but it would be a great act to publish the source especially if everything is headed to hybrid systems. (Internet/lokal) hi no one Hehehe this sounds like iniquity all over again (which isn't that bad a thing) as long as there is a central point, and people will be coordinated by a solid core development team, things should be okay *** ProBot has kicked acid_mike from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] The PHP team did so, Vertigo. SarahP!! I dont know enough about C - I am a pascal person!! but could phillipe not release some DLL's that allow you to build your own frrame work for the bbs with out ever relaseing all the code The Apache team, too. thats not very nice probot eeeh botty ... that's not nice :) So I mean some code main stuff he does not want to relase in DLL form It wasn't me! :) The bot's setup to kick anyone who's idle for 45 mins or more... *** acid_mike (acid_mike@ppp-mab119.freiepresse.de) has joined channel #ProBoard whens phillippe coming ldg:theoretically it is possible To be honest, I am quite disappointed of PL. so, he's not here yet :-) let's give him another 15 minutes ... [apa] cricetus: "maybe he dont want to publish the source to the public."... True: great thought... I'm afraid there's only one way we can continue development and that's if Philippe gives away his sources for free. philippe is due here in about 13 minutes or so *** OP ANNOUNCEMENT *** When Philippe arrives, I'd like to ask everyone to please just keep quiet for a minute or two so we can get things organized... then anyone should call him :) I hack DLL's all the time and use functions with in them its easy to list the points and the use them in your program!! YES!! SIR CAPTIAN!! apa: I would be willing to pay for the source code. If philippe doesn't release the code, all the people who were intersted in programming it, why not start your own - won't take that long true, if philippe desides not to give away the source after all, there will be no future for PB. Dmurph: You can set mode +m and then only people with the flags +v or +o can speak My idea is to keep PB up as an open sourced product. that's what I'll prolly do for a few mins Kinda Mozilla like. apa: yeah, this is my opinion to. And when he choses NO, i think PB will die... *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-66.uunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard hi Philippe! What happened to the dutch RA32 project? There he is! The time has come people. cricetus: yep my idea exactly Now all be quiet and let Philippe speak. *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-66.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] hi philippe lol eek. Hi Philippe! haaaaaaaaahahahahahaha bye Philipp! *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-168.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard [apa] cricetus: I have thought of something to pay Philippe but not hand out any dime from our side: if ProBoard would remain shareware, we could give Philippe a certain percentage of the sales until we have paid him... Well... Philippe what do you think? * Diadem bows in respect Hi again! Oops apa: I could agree to that. Just one thing: this is the first time I'm on today apa: Maybe a mixed system: Flat fee + per sale. Now all be quiet and let Philippe speak. Philippe_L was not me! that's the real philippe *** Jobbert (Jobbert@md27-112.mun.compuserve.com) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy we're all anxious. =) Philippe may we call you Phil for short? *** ProBot has kicked sphinx-hm-away from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard Ops: /mode #proboard +m sure lol So Philippe, please tell us what you would like to see happen with ProBoard and it's future development. Ok, not that i am trying to be bossy, but lets keep this VERY ORGANIZED. Phil will get pissed of if he has 1000000 questions flying at him. hmmm... I haven' prepared a speech or anything :-) wow Mike, none of the "Hi, how are you?" questions... go right for the heavy ones. :-) hehe Philippe: Doesn't matter, just go on =) Ok, since I don't really know 100% how I want to do everything, maybe you can ask some specific questions? Phil: Just tell us if you want to make big money with the PB source or if you want to keep PB alive? [apa] Philippe: I have prepared a suggestion, taking into account what has been going on this last week, for the further development. It is all in a textfile at http://freeusers.digibel.be/~ghemberg/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt Some people made already some suggestions I don't intend to make money on it, I just don't want to lose any. Philippe: Would you ever consider releasing ProBoard under the GPL. Philippe: Do you plan on distrubting the source to a group of people, an indviudal, or making it public domain *** Tom_Torfs (tomtorfs@pool03-194-7-13-76.uunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard *** PEXieHEXie (hoopy@i.did.her.so.hard.i.broke.her.back-bone.org) has joined channel #Proboard Philippe: did you read the email regarding Branislav being intrested in taking over it's development, along with a team of willing pb programmers to assist him? oh no, hoopy again. I did, but does he have the time? *** Mode change [+b pexiehexie!*@*] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked PEXieHEXie from channel #Proboard [banned] phew. :) Philippe: Can you tell us about your vision of PBs future? *** Mode change [+b *!*@i.did.her.so.hard.i.broke.her.back-bone.org] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy vision? *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-168.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] ouch Well. You probably have one. *grin* ouch this is almost funny. :) *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-240.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard he'll be back -- this happens a lot to him THAT'S GONNA HURT :-) wow that was alot of questions. might i make a suggestions. whomever wishes to speak should say 'permission to speak' and whoever Phillipe wants to speak can say 'Go ahead ' Well. You probably have one. *** Brett (Brett@cw75.canadawired.com) has joined channel #Proboard That is: that's philippe for you!!!! hello all! Philippe: did you receive my email concerning DOS and OS/2 development phil is back on track ... so lez continue *** Farenheid (jacques.th@dialup142.charleroi.eunet.be) has joined channel #proboard wow that was alot of questions. might i make a suggestions. whomever wishes to speak should say 'permission to speak' and whoever Phillipe wants to speak can say 'Go ahead ' Should it go on, should it die, do you want to have still monetary part on it? I hate my ISDN router! hi brett Who agrees with me?? I do Philippe: he can only work on it during weekends, but he is a very fast coder, and with some additional assistance by other programmers i think he can get a lot accomplished. hi jens OK I do too Phil: Did you receive my email a few days ago (about UltimateBoard) tB-: that's what chanmode +m woulda do I do hey Frank Jobbert: yes I agree with that PERMISSION TO SPEAK, can we introduce that? :) . OK permission to speak please.. Phil: What do you think about it? just a sec Ok, hold on, long sentences coming :-) *** dmjurphy2 (dmurphy@heinlein.montclair.edu) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o dmjurphy2] on channel #Proboard by ProBot sorry -- my other account locked up :( *** dmjurphy2 has kicked DMurphy from channel #proboard [dmjurphy2] I would still like to be involved with the development, but I'd like to have the "work" done by someone else *** dmjurphy2 is now known as DMurphy there we go :) I don't want to make any more money of it Are you willing to let it becomme freeware? Permission to speak. Philippe, so you would be prepared to turn ProBoard freeware? permission to speak? [apa] Philippe: I would advise a team... Have you had a chance to look at the textfile I posted you the URL from yet? Permission to speak. moderation here we come... if you want to ask a question, private message APA or myself and we'll give you permission to speak. moderate it damnit I would be prepared to do that please set +m =) *** Mode change [+m] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy TB- up next *** Mode change [+v tB-] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy Brett next in queue *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa OK is it ok for me to speak now ? Ok... Phil, would you be willing to make PB free ( release a keygenerator for all those who want ) yes *** Mode change [+v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa If so, would you be willing to also release the source under the GPL so people can participate in the development? *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** ProBot has kicked QCS-Alan from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Mode change [+v cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa *** QCS-Alan (Cascades@du-1540.claranet.co.uk) has joined channel #Proboard I have volunteered via e-mail to take over DOS and OS/2 text mode development. No, I don't want to do that, sorry. It will get "messy" that way *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: Do you agree with the keygenerator though? If it is freeware, you won't need a key generator of course Yes, but since the 2.16 release requires a key Would you be willing to release a keygenerator for the current 2.16 release? No, it would be unfair to the people who already registered [apa] tB: Sounds to me like a crazy thing... People would not like that... [apa] I agree with Philippe on that. *** Mode change [-v tB-] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Cricetus: your turn thanks *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-240.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard What about the idea, that programmers put themselves together (like the PHP or APACHE team) and do work on the new, enhanced version of PB (which lacks maybe of some "secret" code you did for it) This PB would be open sourced kinda Mozilla *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard i.e. one free Version and one which must be registered. *** Louie (horst@195.211.29.40) has joined channel #ProBoard [apa] Cricetus' question: What about the idea, that programmers put themselves together (like the PHP or APACHE team) and do work on the new, enhanced version of PB (which lacks maybe [apa] of some "secret" code you did for it) *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard You would be paid a flat fee and then per sold unit. *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** ProBot has kicked jmj from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard [apa] Philippe seems to have trouble staying online :-( *** jmj (~jmj@du04-02.dial.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+v Ambiorix] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** Farenheid (jacques.th@dialup142.charleroi.eunet.be) has left channel #proboard *** Ambiorix (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard hmm =) what's going on here? Where is everone going [apa] Crazy things. *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard seems that uunet has some net problems. all the uunet.be people May I ask once again? *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy please do What about the idea, that programmers put themselves together (like the PHP or APACHE team) and do work on the new, enhanced version of PB (which lacks maybe of some "secret" code you did for it) This PB would be open sourced kinda Mozilla i.e. one free Version and one which must be registered. You would be paid a flat fee and then per sold unit. What do you think about this proposal? I'm not interested in getting paid for it *** Mode change [-v cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] James: Your turn. *** Mode change [+v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa I just don't want to lose any more money, because that's what's happening now What Philippe is wanting to do is just like what was setup with RBBS and to this day has worked great. As long as Philippe has control of final say on the released code a program a = and something like that *** Mode change [-v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] nuku: Your turn phil: why not (releasing under the GPL), you could manage the versions and merge the fixes as does Linus with the Linux Kernel? And why are are you "losing money at the moment"? *** Mode change [+v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa *** wappy (taranis@commander.magic-web.de) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+v DMurphy] on channel #Proboard by apa The website (www.proboard.com) for example okay, i understand, and why not GPL? I just don't like it. Is that a good reason? :-) *** Mode change [-v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Diadem: your turn *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-83.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] 1) If you are going to be distributing it to a team, what will the requiremnts for joining the team be? 2) The two-bbs system idea sounds more like crippleware and not freeware. What other systems are doing (well thinking of doing) is having a team work on the source and IF YOU STILL WANT TO CHARGE simply charge for the source code and not to unlock this cripple. Philippe - What if we were to offer a "support team" that handles releases, information, a "user registry" etc.... we'd interface with the "code team" and check with you before any "official" releases go out the door.... is that a good idea? *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-86.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard darnit Woah that was long sorry :S *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy WB Philippe - What if we were to offer a "support team" that handles releases, +information, a "user registry" etc.... we'd interface with the "code team" +and check with you before any "official" releases go out the door.... is that +a good idea? Dmurphy: Iniquity does the same thing so far its been working ok Except ofr the offical thing *** Signoff: Louie (horst@195.211.29.40) has left IRC [Leaving] And who will build the release? *** FunMan (~fun@dialup361.liege.skynet.be) has joined channel #proboard [apa] I'd suggest Branislav the code team would do so... those who you feel are fit to be working on the code... people such as frank and myself would be on the "support team" and we'd be the "first line of defense" :) *** Mode change [-v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Tom: Your turn I would be willing to port the DOS version (2.16) to OS/2 32-bit text mode and continue development of the DOS and OS/2 versions. *** Mode change [+v Wolfgang] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [-v Wolfgang] on channel #Proboard by apa thanks dennsi *** Mode change [+v cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa Tom: we can talk about that Would you be willing to license the 2.16 source code to that purpose for free ? 2.16 is a sensitive issue, because so many people payed for it OK, how about an earlier version , then ? That doesn't make any difference But the people who paid for it would gain more if the development continued, then if it stopped, wouldn't they ? Yes, but new users will get it for free, while "older" will have payed for it But isn't that a price worth paying to keep PB alive ? (I myself payed for it too, and have no problem with that) *** Mode change [-b philippe!*@198.88.188.91] on channel #Proboard by ProBot I don't have a problem with it, but will they? (the users) *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-86.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-188.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard What would you suggest otherwise ? *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy I would turn the 2.16 page and "forget" about it. I mean: leave it like it is But that would probably mean that there would never be an OS/2 version. Says who? 3.0? Who is going to invest all the effort in building a GUI OS/2 program etc ? you I don't know anything about GUI program; I'm good at text mode programming though That's why I suggested to port the text version of PB. It's not that hard. I had to learn it too Not all people are that much into GUI as far as BBSing is concerned anyway here's the thing though --whomever the "code team" becomes is going to need to base 3.0 off of the 2.16 code (I'm assuming).... now, if 3.0 is a derivative work of 2.16, and 3.0 is free, why not make 2.16 free? I would agree with that view also. The existing users, remember? *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: I understand that PB is still your product, and I understand what you feel about it. I can understand the problem with 2.16 since so many people paid for it, but I cannot see what your current position to all those proposals is. What is your opinion, what is the thing you want to do with PB? (imho no one has something against a "free" 3.0 of PB in about six months, even those users who paid for 2.x) [apa] cricetus: your turn! A free 3.0 is better than no 3.0 =) [apa] oops :-) thanks, apa Exactly Let's only talk about 3.0 okay So - what's your idea of 3.0, and how it will happen. :) I haven't made up my mind yet about 2.16 2.16 is not important *** Wolfgang (root@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has left channel #proboard the future is *** Wolfgang (root@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has joined channel #proboard philippe -- how much code is there for 3.0? Any kind of an estimate? I wouldn't mind coordinating the development, but the "hard work" is taking too much of my time *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-188.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-48.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [-v cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy [apa] Diadem: your turn *** Mode change [+v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa (Sorry that this is a little old in the conversation- you were disconnected when I asked first) 1) If you are going to be distributing it to a team, what will the requiremnts for joining the team be? 2) The two-bbs system idea sounds more like crippleware and not freeware. What other systems are doing (well thinking of doing) is having a team work on the source and IF YOU STILL WANT TO CHARGE simply charge for the source code and not to unloc What's all that +o stuff +o = you are in charge of the channel +v = you may speak (o for op and v for voice) Philippe> I'm giving you "operator" priviledge so you can speak and control the channel as you see fit :) thanks :) is there any estimate as to how much code is ready or none at all? :) unloc... Moderator! yes? :) who has permission to speak? *** Mode change [+v Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Diadem [apa] His question is above. the last word was: unloc... [apa] Diadem: please restate your question... *** Imortal (rspring@ip58.net24723.cr.sk.ca) has joined channel #Proboard *** Signoff: no|one (online@tm-soft.COM) has left IRC [Leaving] *** ProBot has kicked Olivier from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #Proboard *** Signoff: Imortal (rspring@ip58.net24723.cr.sk.ca) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Mode change [-v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] ldg_jb: your turn then! *** Mode change [+v vertigo] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Diadem2 (omega@ct-hartford-us1908.javanet.com) has joined channel #proboard Philippe between me and I know several other users in here with full time connections to the net and runing there own full time httpd, ftpd news mail etc i am sure we could host proboard.com so where where you could get to it and have control over it, and also somewhere that did not cost you money!! I will shortly have a machine on a dual t3 servver that would be great for that. I currently have 3 web servers and irc hook here and a hrm, this remark was about the subject 5 minutes ago, but then again, here we go :) I think 2.16 is important, because it's here, and 3.0 isn't. You just said that 2.16 would be a problem because so many people paid for it. But they actually have a solid product that they have used for a while. Plus that the bbs market has changed dramatically since 1996 or something, so they still value for money. BBS's are almost wiped away from the earth. Don't you think the people who bought 2.xx should be supported with future updates and additions, and Took 5 mi to get to speak don't you feel the 3.0 version should then be a lot more sensitive because people have paid for it and have never even received a final product, and don't you think it is important for the people who bought 2.xx to be guaranteed of future updates? [apa] vertigo: wait your turn... [apa] please! :-) sorry :) done *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-48.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] [apa] doh! *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-190.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Signoff: QCS-Alan (Cascades@du-1540.claranet.co.uk) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by DMurphy *** Mode change [-v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] vertigo: your turn *** Signoff: wappy (taranis@commander.magic-web.de) has left IRC [mess with the best or die like the rest .. die elenden kriegen ihr fett weg] okay :) I think 2.16 is important, because it's here, and 3.0 isn't. You just said that 2.16 would be a problem because so many people paid for it. But they actually have a solid product that they have used for a while. Plus that the bbs market has changed dramatically since 1996 or something, so they still value for money. BBS's are almost wiped away from the earth. Don't you think the people who bought 2.xx should be supported with future updates and additions, and *** Mode change [+v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa don't you feel the 3.0 version should then be a lot more sensitive because people have paid for it and have never even received a final product, and don't you think it is important for the people who bought 2.xx to be guaranteed of future updates? *** Signoff: Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1736.javanet.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] That's why I only want to discuss 3.0 2.16 is off-topic as far as I am concerned ah, okay. Only this: *** Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1515.javanet.com) has joined channel #proboard I will release a Y2K fix for 2.16 *** Mode change [-v vertigo] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Nuku: your turn Phillipe: But what will people, especially the ones that registered the lastest version, think, if you do not release the code and PB will be completely discontinued? And you say "Let's only talk about 3.0": You must release (at least... ... to a group of some coders the current code! *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa About 3.0 then: oops sorry Difficult question *** Signoff: Diadem2 (omega@ct-hartford-us1908.javanet.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] [apa] True... Had to cope with it myself today :-) I will not release the complete 2.16 source code *** ProBot has kicked acid_mike from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] I think you have to think about what you REALLY want *** acid_mike (acid_mike@ppp-mab119.freiepresse.de) has joined channel #Proboard Just the parts that can be used in 3.0 i'll be back in a few -- need to go do some work :) and then, should people start pb from sratch?? that doesnt work either.... *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-190.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] Should there less features in 3.0 then in current? *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-131.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa :and then, should people start pb from sratch?? that doesnt work either.... [23:32:35] :Should there less features in 3.0 then in current? no [apa] Philippe: Branislav said he wanted to continue only if you gave away the sources free of charge. I think he meant the full source... But for v3.0; would you give it away entirely? *** Mode change [-v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Tom: your turn. *** ProBot has kicked SarahP from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] About 3.0 then: do all the utilities etc. have to be GUI ? E.g. PBUTIL etc. seems like a perfect candidate for a *** Mode change [+v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa console program ? *** SarahP (oops@dialup-15-19.netcomuk.co.uk) has joined channel #proboard Console will work *** Signoff: Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1515.javanet.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] Ok, I could do that. (for windows, os/2 and dos if necessary) Listen for one second *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Sorry... *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa *** ProBot has kicked Oliver from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] About PEXes: .. Has the telent deamon with in the proborad code been finished. *** Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has joined channel #ProBoard proboard Yes. Telnet is 99% finished It works *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa Great!! *** Mode change [+v Oliver] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: What do you think concret of the idea of a ProBoard successor? (e.g. UBoard; regd 3.0 Users for free - no more probs for you!) Can I have everyone's attention please? done no questions please [apa] ok *** Mode change [-v ldg_jb] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [-v Oliver] on channel #Proboard by apa One thing about the PEX interface: I will NOT make the technology public *** ProBot has kicked sphinx-hm-away from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard *** C_Spiess (jenny@owns.IRAQ-online.org) has joined channel #ProBoard It is pretty advanced, and since it is only applicable to DOS, there's no sense in making it public (since I don't really want to) I will, however, make the *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-131.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-135.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] go ahead *** Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1014.javanet.com) has joined channel #proboard Well, that's about it :-) any comments? [apa] OK... *** ProBot has kicked Codeman from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Codeman (~codeman@p9-04.z03.glo.be) has joined channel #proboard [apa] Oliver: go ahead. *** Mode change [+v Oliver] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: What do you think concret of the idea of a ProBoard successor? (e.g. UBoard; regd 3.0 Users for free - no more probs for you!) *** Mode change [+v Olivier] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+o C_Spiess] on channel #Proboard by Philippe I don't understand Did you yet take view on UltimateBoard? *** ProBot has kicked cor from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** ProBot has kicked Brett from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] No *** Brett (Brett@cw75.canadawired.com) has joined channel #Proboard [apa] Oliver: What is Ultimate Board??? Did you not receive E-Mail of robert@ultimate-systems.com UltimateBoard is a BBS-Program like ProBoard [apa] Nope... Not that I am aware of. [apa] OK... *** Mode change [-v Oliver] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Olivier: you're next! *** ProBot has kicked Richard_K from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** ProBot has kicked Jobbert from channel #Proboard [idle 45 min] *** Mode change [+v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa How much of the PB 3.0 code is finished now? *** cor (~cor@bbswijchen.demon.nl) has joined channel #proboard hello Constantin Spiess - glad u could join us *** ccc (ccc@cramer.qni.com) has joined channel #proboard *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-135.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Mode change [-oooo ProBot apa DMurphy Frank_pbi] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-213.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [-v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess *** Jobbert (Jobbert@md27-112.mun.compuserve.com) has joined channel #ProBoard do I need to repeate my question ? *** Mode change [-v Olivier] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess philippe: SUCK MY DICK !!!!!!!!!!!!! PROBOARD SUCKS !!!!!! FUCK YOU ALL !!!!! [apa] I'm getting scanner... One moment. *** Mode change [+i] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess *** apa (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #sysopnet fuck proboard! fuck it! *** Mode change [-m] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess whats your problem? looks like u r the asshole here Join proboard2 *** apa (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #bbs Ignore him #proboard2 everyone join proboard2 *** Sammaster (kreav@user-38lcfgn.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined channel #bbs Op the Me Please! Hi Apa.. G'day Sammaster and apa! join #proboard2 and leave this one join #proboard2 and leave this one join #proboard2 and leave this one join #proboard2 and leave this one join #proboard2 and leave this one [apa] ALARM in #ProBoard is any operator here??? *** Signoff: Jobbert (Jobbert@md27-112.mun.compuserve.com) has left IRC [Bye] Op the Me Please! *** vertigo (sirius@alumina.xs4all.nl) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** Signoff: Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has left IRC [Bye] Op the Me Please! *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-213.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has left channel #ProBoard Op the Me Please! *** cricetus (~k137@pool00.bad.ilk.de) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! hahahhaa ]/join Proboard2 bye guys *** pcMike (mike@calnet28-82.gtecablemodem.com) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** apa (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #alarm Op the Me Please! *** cor (~cor@bbswijchen.demon.nl) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** Tom_Torfs (tomtorfs@pool03-194-7-13-76.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm yes ? *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has joined channel #alarm [apa] Come to channel #alarm I'm op... please leave here! Op the Me Please! *** cricetus (~k137@pool00.bad.ilk.de) has joined channel #alarm *** Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1014.javanet.com) has joined channel #alarm There's proboard2.. :) *** tB- (lick@cr443284-a.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com) has joined channel #alarm #proboard2 *** Mode change [-i] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess Eveyone is in #proboard2 Go there and i'll op you apa *** vertigo (sirius@alumina.xs4all.nl) has joined channel #alarm apa, if you all leave maybe it will fix itself... *** Richard_K (Me@207.235.90.195) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Brett (Brett@cw75.canadawired.com) has joined channel #alarm *** ccc (ccc@cramer.qni.com) has joined channel #alarm *** Codeman (~codeman@p9-04.z03.glo.be) has joined channel #alarm hi *** Wolfgang (root@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has joined channel #alarm Don't trust ccc *** cricetus (~k137@pool00.bad.ilk.de) has joined channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** mte^btm (mte@ra28.braunschweig.netsurf.de) has joined channel #Proboard *** ldg_jb (jpadgett@host-209-214-33-71.mco.bellsouth.net) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! *** Tom_Torfs (tomtorfs@pool03-194-7-13-76.uunet.be) has left channel #alarm *** Signoff: Frank_pbi (frobbins@s91.dzn.com) has left IRC [Leaving] Op the Me Please! *** jmj (~jmj@du04-02.dial.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-148.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** ldg_jb (jpadgett@host-209-214-33-71.mco.bellsouth.net) has joined channel #alarm yes *** Tom_Torfs (tomtorfs@pool03-194-7-13-76.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm ok so here we go *** Frank_pbi (frobbins@s91.dzn.com) has joined channel #alarm *** FunMan (~fun@dialup361.liege.skynet.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Olivier (vsoft@dialup21.kortrijk.eunet.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has joined channel #ProBoard *** Richard_K (Me@207.235.90.195) has joined channel #alarm *** cor (~cor@bbswijchen.demon.nl) has joined channel #alarm *** SarahP (oops@dialup-15-19.netcomuk.co.uk) has joined channel #alarm *** acid_mike (acid_mike@ppp-mab119.freiepresse.de) has joined channel #alarm what's up? Op the Me Please! restablishing the link *** FunMan (~fun@dialup361.liege.skynet.be) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! Ph is in #proboard2 join it please Why are there 2 chans? *** ChanWatch (sdrake@isonline.com) has joined channel #alarm *** Bauhaus (paranoia@t05-24.antw.online.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Frank_pbi] on channel #alarm by apa *** Bauhaus is now known as Filip Op the Me Please! [apa] Sorry for this folks. Seems C_Spiess was a fake! *** Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has left channel #ProBoard Op the Me Please! *** Filip is now known as NightTime *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has joined channel #proboard *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has left channel #proboard Op the Me Please! hi *.* would you think so? *grin* :) [apa] Everyone to #alarm C_SPIESS is a fake!!! really? :) eheh Philippe is in #proboard2 *** ChanWatch (sdrake@isonline.com) has joined channel #proboard apa : of course he was, didn't you see his domain name ??? *** Mode change [+b apa!*@*] on channel #Proboard by C_Spiess *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-148.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm ow shit probs Op the Me Please! ok n/m there we go:) [apa] Sorry... Finnaly *** C_Spiess has kicked apa from channel #proboard [C_Spiess] *** NightTime (paranoia@t05-24.antw.online.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Oliver (~Oliver@ns1221.munich.netsurf.de) has joined channel #ALARM *** Signoff: nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has left IRC [Client exited] *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #alarm by apa *** Cannot join channel #proboard (+b - you're banned) *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has joined channel #alarm re *** mte^btm (mte@ra28.braunschweig.netsurf.de) has joined channel #alarm the vampire guy is here ops *** Mode change [+v apa] on channel #alarm by apa frank: just kidding :-) [apa] OK... We'll start it over again. #proboard is free again lets stay here [apa] +t *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-148.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-148.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] no, its opless *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-217.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm c_Speiss is gone from #proboard *** Wolfgang has changed the topic on #alarm to "#Proboard is cleared again!" Philippe !! Despite it all or what you might thanks PB is kick butt and I have love using it what ever you guys decide I know its in good hands and I will do all I can to help just let me know I have to go will take to everone later to #proboard now? leaveing have a good night *** Cannot join channel #proboard (+b - you're banned) bye ldg! *** Cannot join channel #ProBoard (+b - you're banned) [apa] I can't join on that channel... I'm banned Shouldn't we get this discussion back on track, please? back to #proboard? what channel??? Proboard is opless and will be chaotic as all hell... i don't reccomend channel jumping like this Besides, this channel is fINE for now diadem: #proboard has operators *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #alarm by apa let me see if I can find scanner he can fix this ok there we go n/m DMurphy, Chanwatch and ProBoat = ops on #roeselare *** Mode change [+mt] on channel #alarm by apa [apa] OK... People: back to business. Channel is moderated again. *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-217.uunet.be) has left channel #alarm [apa] I cannot join to the #ProBoard channel since I am banned from it. *** Cannot join channel #ProBoard (+b - you're banned) *** FunMan (~fun@dialup361.liege.skynet.be) has left channel #alarm *** tB- (lick@cr443284-a.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com) has left channel #alarm *** Signoff: vertigo (sirius@alumina.xs4all.nl) has left IRC [Leaving] *** cor (~cor@bbswijchen.demon.nl) has left channel #alarm *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-217.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #alarm by apa [apa] Philippe: strange things happening. I am banned from #ProBoard so I cannot help there... *** Signoff: ldg_jb (jpadgett@host-209-214-33-71.mco.bellsouth.net) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] strange what should I do? *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-217.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-149.uunet.be) has joined channel #alarm *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #alarm by apa OK, I already said that I could do PBUTIL console mode I *could* also write a GUI ProCFG provided that it could be done in a visual development tool such as *** apa is now known as apa2 Borland C++Builder... *** apa2 (~apa@dialup141.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #ProBoard [apa2] SysOp of The Church bbs / ProBoard support team / http://www.chbbs.home.ml.org / Finnaly:) we got someone to take over the channel and discussion Any comments? *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-149.uunet.be) has left channel #alarm *** nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has left channel #alarm *** Mode change [-b cursory_jens!hoopy@*] on channel #Proboard by ProBot What areas of the code are finished, and what needs work? You said telnet is 99% finished (still no DOS door support right)? What about the 32-bit PEX support? is it almost done? what areas of the code still need work? *** apa2 is now known as apa *** apa2 is now known as apa :) *** mte^btm is now known as maXou *** mte^btm is now known as maXou *** NightTime (paranoia@t05-24.antw.online.be) has left channel #alarm The "technology" is ready, but not implemented in code yet (PEXes is what I'm talking about) *** diamond45 (diamond@dmine.mnsinc.com) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o apa] on channel #Proboard by ProBot OK, about this PEX interface: I could reproduce it because I reverse-engineered it and know the details of the interface. That way future DOS versions could still support PEXes without you having to give away your interface code. telnet is 100% done, except for the door support [apa] OK... Back in business! *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: How long will it take before the door support is complete? *** Mode change [+m] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [-m] on channel #Proboard by ProBot phillipe: did you plan to allow telnet to support doors eventually? Tom: if you can do that, ok *** Mode change [+o Frank_pbi] on channel #Proboard by apa thanks... pcMike: I planned it, but it is very difficult However, it would be a lot easier if I had at least *some* DOS source code to start from, rather than build an entire new ProBoard... [apa] Sorry: I'm working on the ProBot now... *** ghemberg (~apa@dialup78.gent.skynet.be) has joined channel #ProBoard L8tr Mike *** Mode change [+o ghemberg] on channel #Proboard by ProBot [ghemberg] OK.. Sorry folks. My connection was dropped. Ok... heheheh the question i asked about an hour ago-.... (ok its kinda OLLLDDD) will the source of proboard goto a team or an indivudal? What will be the requirements to join the team if it is given to one? *** ghemberg is now known as apa Welcome back *** Mode change [+m] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa *** SmokeyAl (Cascades@du-1540.claranet.co.uk) has joined channel #Proboard *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-14.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-161.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** SmokeyAl is now known as QCS-Alan *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Back to the same business: ask to speak! i'm back :-) *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Tom: You go! Are any datat structures for 3.0 known yet ? That way I could start on PBUTIL and maybe also PROCFG... *** ChanWatch is now known as Scanner2 Philippe, did you read my question? *** Mode change [+v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa They're basically 2.16 -compatible [apa] Will they change in the future? [apa] I mean: is that planned? Ah, OK. And will the utilities need to be rebuilt from scratch or will you provide (part of) the source code ? I will provide full source code for PBUTIL *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] Diadem: you're on! (I think this question is CURSED or something but here it goes.. again) Will the source be going to a team or an indivudal? What will the requirements to join the team be if there is one? Also, will you be selling the source or giving it away? *** c (ccc@cramer.qni.com) has joined channel #proboard *** Signoff: ccc (ccc@cramer.qni.com) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] I will probably give it away to ONE person, who will be in charge of recruiting other developers *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa *** comatose (i@208.130.15.10) has joined channel #proboard OK, is this about PBUTIL settled then ? You provide me with the source code and I port it to Win32 and OS/2 console programs ? *** Mode change [-v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Signoff: Jobbert (Jobbert@md42-132.mun.compuserve.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** Mode change [+v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa I never said I would give YOU the full source code. Do you intend to make it public then ? *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-161.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-22.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa Tom: Earlier I said: we can talk about that OK, do you want to do that via email afterwards, perhaps ? Sure Ok my address is tomtorfs@village.uunet.be ok Yours is still philippe@proboard.com ? yep Philippe - What if we were to offer a "support team" that handles releases, +information, a "user registry" etc.... we'd interface with the "code team" +and check with you before any "official" releases go out the door.... is that +a good idea? ok then, that's settled whoops sorry *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa I didn't mean to do that :-) I just right-clicked in the window by mistake ;) [apa] nuku: Your turn I still cannot understand why Phillipe simply doesn´t release the source. BBS scene is almost dead... And that is a fact. Nobody will kill him for that.... (and maybe less people as expected will do somethin with the code). Of course I understand... :-) [apa] Hehe... ... that it is your code.... but you should really think about the future of PB [apa] Well... Please someone: ask to speak!!! No-one pending... okay..... here goes: Philippe: *** Mode change [-v nuku] on channel #Proboard by apa ? Thank you for everything in these past years. We really appreciate the great product we've had, and I for one will never regret using ProBoard. However, without Internet-accessibility, for me, the BBS is dead. *** LarryG (lrgoff@1Cust187.tnt1.everett.wa.da.uu.net) has joined channel #proboard I appreciate you coming here, helping us our, hearing us, and looking for a developer. I just wish you the best of luck in your personal endeavours and well, thanks! Thank you Dennis I just wanted to make sure _someone_ says thanks so it doesn't look like the pack of wolves is hunting for you. :-) *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-22.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Mode change [+v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-165.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa It has to move in a different direction I think *** Signoff: jmj (~jmj@du04-02.dial.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** db (~db@dialup33.hasselt.skynet.be) has joined channel #proboard This will take a huge effort, and I simply don't have the time anymore [apa] Diadem: you're on! I understand that entirely... I just hope that we can get someone who DOES have the time and get a coordinated effort going..... I have a few ideas as to how organization should be... *** Mode change [+v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa OK, I have no more questions. Philippe: I will be contacting you via e-mail about the PBUTIL source code. Bye, everyone! Hold changing question (Talking to iniquity author who went through what you are going through right now...) *** Mode change [-v Tom_Torfs] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Tom_Torfs (tomtorfs@pool03-194-7-13-76.uunet.be) has left channel #Proboard bye I abstain my question for now... i'll ask again in a min [apa] Ahum... Anyone want to talk? [apa] Philippe: meanwhile, maybe you can check out what I've prepared at: http://freeusers.digibel.be/~ghemberg/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt Philippe: I'll continue to support you & ProBoard till there isn't anymore! - ProBoard Rules!!!:-))) Long Live ProBoard!!!! It seems there are many observers, but few participants [apa] yes :-) 'k... i yield my voice to comatose- the author of iniquity *** Mode change [+v Richard_K] on channel #Proboard by apa *** diamond45 (diamond@dmine.mnsinc.com) has left channel #proboard Philippe: everyone was hunger for new NEWS - they just wait to hear from you! :-) Here's part of what I envision happening with ProBoard: I'm just collecting suggestions here... *** Mode change [-v Diadem] on channel #Proboard by apa a) The Code Team -- this is the person (or people) who are developing ProBoard.... such as Tom Torfs, Branislav (maybe), etc.... they do the development work -- the "hard stuff" b) The Support Team -- these are people like Frank Robbins, Mike Ehlert, Art Stark, Gilles Hemburg, myself, etc. who handle user questions, keep track of who's using ProBoard, write documentation, answer questions, etc.... and c) The Advisory Board -- that would be yourself. The easy way to keep your hand in PB development. *** Signoff: c (ccc@cramer.qni.com) has left IRC [No route to host] [apa] Richard: you're on! Phillipe: I think that everyone showed up today to basically find out when and if PB 3.0 will become a reality. It promises alot that alot of people have been asking for. We really just wanted to know what was going on. *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-165.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-71.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard as for the website that you're losing money on.... if you can get the DNS entry transferred to say Mike or Frank or myself, we all have Websites hosted on fast servers... I don't know about the other guys, but adding virtual hosts for me is easy. :) Telnetability is a big plus for alot of us *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+v comatose] on channel #Proboard by apa hi people =) nobody calls regular bbs's anymore, but with a presence on the web, bbs'ing is alive again what happens to bbs is entirly up to us which could rekindle the interest to call up your local bbs and see what they have to offer we can make them evolve or we can stop and let them die *** Mode change [-v Richard_K] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+v cor] on channel #Proboard by apa e /help for help ack :) *** Mode change [-v cor] on channel #Proboard by apa Dennis, please resend your remarks... as for the website that you're losing money on.... if you can get the DNS +entry transferred to say Mike or Frank or myself, we all have Websites hosted +on fast servers... I don't know about the other guys, but adding virtual +hosts for me is easy. :) -- do you need the one about the "team concept" also? yes please sure.... here goes: philippe: do you have no time to code pcb or little time . *** Signoff: NightTime (paranoia@t05-24.antw.online.be) has left IRC [tribe/(freeze bitch)#] a) A "Development Team" -- this team does the actual coding of ProBoard... people such as Tom Torfs, Branislav Slantchev (maybe), etc... the people who have to do the "hard work" comatose: little time er proB hehe =) can i make a suggestion.. *** Signoff: sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-71.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-243.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard b) the "Support Team" -- people like Frank Robbins, Mike Ehlert, Art Stark, Gilles Hemburg, myself, etc.. we do the other work -- answer user questions, maintain a list of who's using the software, handle Fidonet stuff, Internet stuff, host the IRC *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: I have logged the entire session 2 hrs before you got here - The logs will be available from my website about 30 minutes after the IRC stops by the bane of pblogs.zip forund at http://scselp.com/cg i-bin/udload_pbi/udload.pl sessions, write documentation, forward suggestions to the Development Team, etc. Dennis: you have a point. *** Signoff: sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has left IRC [No route to host] and c) The Advisory Board -- this would be yourself... the easy way for you to keep involved. :) Dennis: We'll have to talk about that Thanks Frank sure... you can email me anytime: dmurphy@pegasus.montclair.edu *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard phil: just have a coding team that does most of the dirty coding work and have them send you there changes.. then do the final builds that way.. you always have the latest and no one else has 100% of the code I think that if we break up the tasks into groups, things will be very efficient... there are lots of people willing to help -- so if we all have our own piece of the puzzle, it won't overwhelm anyone... finding people commited is prob the most important *** Art (astark@206.97.174.199) has left channel #proboard comatose: this is one of the options I'm considering caz there are lots of good coders, but 90% of them never finish what they start like me.. i suck but i never stop till i reach my goal but I think we _have_ that group already -- there's a staunch ProBoard following... we have a great "unofficial" support group, and if we make them official, I can only imagine what we'll get! *** Signoff: Wolfgang (root@pcsun.td.op.dlr.de) has left IRC [never finish: that's what PL and this discussion did. bye. i'm disappointed] The support part is the easiest part... I wish I could offer my services on coding, but I'm a Pascal guy..... Sorry! :( *** Signoff: acid_mike (acid_mike@ppp-mab119.freiepresse.de) has left IRC [-> http://aw98.isFun.net <-] *** Noisome (none.of.yo@pm-jax10-120.coastalnet.com) has joined channel #Proboard if your commited you can learn fast *** pm (Matt@ppp28.dial.ez-sys.net) has joined channel #Proboard *** Noisome (none.of.yo@pm-jax10-120.coastalnet.com) has left channel #Proboard [apa] Philippe: One more please... so being a pro at C isnt a complete must [apa] From Sarah... I don't have the time to learn a new language -- I'm too busy with school right now (only 1 1/2 more years till I get my BS) *** Mode change [+o cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa [apa] She says it's important msg from cricblablabla... 1) Phil, did you ever say "Thank you" to Sarah and her sister for the wonderful, long lasting support for the PB community? 2) The whole event this evening sucked. You seem to have no idea what you want actually. The whole story repeats. If you continue this way PB will fully die, the turnaround must come, the sooner the better. -- That's all what I've to say for this evening. Just another thing: I would be willing to pay one thousand dollars (1000$) f you dont have to learn C, you just need to learn probard code =) registered users. *** Mode change [-v comatose] on channel #Proboard by apa 1000$ seem to be fair. 1000$ for what? ProBoard. *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-243.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] And its future. *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-186.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa 1000$ for what? For Proboard. For a open sourced one. But you don't know what I already have finished on 3.0 Bevore there could be a deal, there must be the possibility to have a look onto the source code. I'll keep it in mind But I am seriously interested. I didn't say you weren't. But we have to talk about it first okay, sure. *** pm (Matt@ppp28.dial.ez-sys.net) has left channel #Proboard I will talk with people, too I would like to call it a day... It's getting late here.... *** Signoff: Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-6-186.uunet.be) has left IRC [No route to host] *** Mode change [+v tB-] on channel #Proboard by apa Same here -- I need to get home and get some sleep...... *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-41.uunet.be) has joined channel #proboard *** Mode change [-o cricetus] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [+o Philippe] on channel #Proboard by apa Philippe: i agree with comatose. we can make the bbs, or we can break it not alot of people are willing to pay for software anymore. If you like, I'll join another session tomorrow or later *** Mode change [+v comatose] on channel #Proboard by apa thus leads me to asking you before, will you make v3.0 free? for $1000 bucks i better get a free sports watch *** Signoff: LarryG (lrgoff@1Cust187.tnt1.everett.wa.da.uu.net) has left IRC [Leaving] Philippe, please be sure to E-Mail me sometime in the next day or two... ok Dennis I'd like to talk to you about the "Team" concept thanks.... you have my address? phil: like i said.. centralize the main source and give out older sources to team members the more they do and more trust you get, the newer code they get to work with thats what i do with iniquity Dennis: yes and it works ok *** LarryG (lrgoff@1Cust187.tnt1.everett.wa.da.uu.net) has joined channel #proboard okay, let me get going..... thanks guys! talk to yas later! *** Signoff: DMurphy (dmurphy@heinlein.montclair.edu) has left IRC [Leaving] Philippe - so long - good that u could make it... *** LarryG (lrgoff@1Cust187.tnt1.everett.wa.da.uu.net) has left channel #proboard comatose: I believe you, but you can't expect me to make a decision about this in a one hour IRC session.... I really have to go now. heh ok bye bye phil bye well in the mean time find one person you can trust, even if he cant code *** Signoff: db (~db@dialup33.hasselt.skynet.be) has left IRC [Leaving] I will bye *** Philippe (~philippe@pool09-194-7-245-41.uunet.be) has left channel #proboard well im going back to #iniquity on efnet ;p *** Mode change [-v comatose] on channel #Proboard by apa *** Mode change [-v tB-] on channel #Proboard by apa apa - gilles I will get all the logs zipped together. They start 2 hrs before Philippe arrived.. [apa] OK... Philippe is gone now! I will collect all you people's questions and ask them to Philippe tomorrow in the afternoon! *** OreoFuchi (cherepko@PTTBB105-45.splitrock.net) has joined channel #Proboard *** Signoff: sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has left IRC [No route to host] bye - bye - everyone *** Signoff: Frank_pbi (frobbins@s91.dzn.com) has left IRC [Leaving] [apa] If you all query me with your questions, I will put them in a textfile and ask them tomorrow! *** sphinx-hm-away (sphinx@s-domain.our-world.net) has joined channel #Proboard [apa] ok? *** Signoff: QCS-Alan (Cascades@du-1540.claranet.co.uk) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Mode change [-m] on channel #Proboard by apa *** OreoFuchi (cherepko@PTTBB105-45.splitrock.net) has left channel #Proboard 'k So, what does everybody think of an user buy-out of PB? later all apa : ask him what is and what isn't working with proboard 3.00 compared with 2.16... well, that was a waste of time hehe [apa] Fire your questions now... apa : like i said. do i get to ride your mother if i pay for the source? What's happening with the Pre-registrations for PB 3.0? jk If the PEX-system will not work in 3.0, i don't think many people will do the upgrade ... *** apa has kicked comatose from channel #proboard [| TeMPTaTioN |] *** comatose (i@208.130.15.10) has joined channel #proboard bah ahah heh I have a question your mother must not be that good then cant ya take a joke What is so advanced about the PEX system used in PB? [apa] Fire it Sarah *** Mode change [+b *!*i@208.130.15.*] on channel #Proboard by apa *** ProBot has kicked comatose from channel #Proboard [banned] *** Signoff: tB- (lick@cr443284-a.lngly1.bc.wave.home.com) has left IRC [poo [lx]] What is so advanced about the PEX system used in PB? [apa] I think it is just low level access... but will ask. I agree an utter waste of time, I don't think Phillipe will ever decide what he wants done, Proboard is his baby and he doesn't want it to grow up and move out! It seems to me philippe hasn't really thought enough about what he wants *** Signoff: nuku (nuku@pC19F108A.dip.t-online.de) has left IRC [Ping timeout] Richard_K: we all have similar impressions, I think. If he doesn't have the time, then maybe he should just give up on PB altogether and release the code Or sell it! Sell it to us users. I don't think he wants that or sell it and developers. *** Shadow (ShadowWolf@AM5-33.Mountain.Net) has joined channel #ProBoard i don't think the pex system is so advanced and secretive *** Shadow is now known as MattJenkins What he wants it seems is someone to do all the hard work while he retains the credit as far as i'm aware it works by hooking interrupts. though i could be wrong [apa] I'll offer Phillippe a deal very soon... I will present it to everyone contactable and take into account any remarks. For now, a suggestion on that is online at http://freeusers.digibel.be/~ghemberg/txtfiles/pbfuture.txt *** oZZie (baldor@203.57.243.145) has joined channel #proboard [apa] vertigo: That's what I thought, too... as long as philippe remains in charge of PB it has no future. i have a sample implementation of such a system here at hand btw :) [apa] Please take a look at this textfile and give me remarks on it! But where is the entry point located in a PEX then? It's not like a normal header in the EXE *** pm (Matt@ppp28.dial.ez-sys.net) has joined channel #proboard *** oZZie (baldor@203.57.243.145) has left channel #proboard what happened so far? [apa] CodeMan: Maybe the MZ stands a little further and Philippe has just added some text there... you should all back cricetus and let him make is like mozilla [apa] pm: I will post a log on my website in a minute! *** Signoff: Diadem (omega@ct-hartford-us1014.javanet.com) has left IRC [Stick w/ comatose's ideas about the group project!] no, it IS a normal EXE, but it just prints "ProBoard SDK 2.15